Raymond Liens in a pride parade.

An excerpt from the Winter 2023-24 edition of British Columbia History.

By Eric Damer

Last summer, I chatted with Raymond Liens about his life work as an activist organizing workers to secure their rights, regardless of ethnicity, sexual orientation, or gender identity.

ED: Hello. Raymond! Thanks for agreeing to the interview.

RL: My pleasure, Eric.

ED: I understand that you have had quite an active career in community and union organizing. How did this all begin?

RL: Well, I was born in Vietnam, where our family had settled for many generations, but after the American withdrawal in 1975 we were persecuted because of our Chinese heritage and our bourgeois status. Everything was taken from us—home, business, properties. We fled for our lives as boat people. In 1979, after months in a Malaysian camp, Canada took us in as refugees. We arrived in Vancouver before transferring to Winnipeg to start a new life.

ED: Wow, I’m glad you made it here safely. So how did you move into community organizing?

RL: My parents soon found work sewing garments but managed to save enough money to open a small Southeast Asian grocery store. It became a hub for our tight-knit community. Everyone knew everything about each other.

While in high school, I saw how kids from our community had no structured programs during the summer break, so I applied for a federal job-creation grant to run a summer camp. Stanley Knowles, our MP, had me over to his home to help with the application. I was only 17, but I got the grant. This encounter shaped my identity as a new Canadian tremendously.

I also worked as an interpreter because I spoke English, Vietnamese, Mandarin, and Cantonese. I helped people with hospital visits, immigration appointments, the police, and even at the courts for minor crimes.

ED: And when did you begin working with unions?

RL: In 1988, United Food and Commercial Workers contacted me to help unionize a poultry processing plant that had many problems. The union had no one who could communicate with the workers, who distrusted unions because of their experience under the communist regime from which they escaped. We had to work fast, but eventually the majority signed up. This experience made me firmly committed to workers’ rights, and the potential of unions in securing those rights.

ED: This took place in Manitoba. How did you come to BC?

RL: It’s a bit of an accident, really. Someone who knew someone from UFCW [United Food and Commercial Workers] moved to BC in 1991, and learned that Glen Clark, then Minister of Finance, was hiring office staff. I was told about the opportunity, applied, and had an interview over the phone with him. Turns out Clark was looking for a constituency assistant, and he had the audacity to hire a kid from Winnipeg who had no real political experience. Of course, I accepted and spent five years working with him.

ED: Did this put an end to your union work?

RL: Of course not. After moving to Vancouver, I called my boyfriend in Quebec and invited him to join me in Vancouver. He wouldn’t come to Winnipeg, but Vancouver was fine. He arrived a few months later, but then I realized that I could not include him on my extended benefit plan. To me, the gender of one’s partner is totally irrelevant. I grew up in southern Vietnam, where the influence of Cambodian culture and Buddhism meant that sexual orientation and gender identity are not big issues at all. We don’t enforce strict gender roles or insist on particular sexual preferences.

ED: So how did you respond?

RL: Well, I petitioned my union, the BC General Employees’ Union (BCGEU), to recognize same-sex couples. I had so much push-back! I had only one ally at first, but I persisted. I lobbied pretty hard until 1994, when the union finally changed the collective agreement to recognize same-sex partnerships. At that time, very few collective agreements included these rights.

ED: I guess you helped reform the union!

RL: Absolutely. My work with Clark shifted when he assigned me to work with Jim Green and others to set up a crown corporation called Four Corners Community Savings that would bring banking services to Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside. Our board of directors included millionaires, business executives, people living on income assistance, and the street entrenched. Some were queer; everyone was treated equally and without any fanfare. This financial institution provided basic financial services for local residents until the provincial Liberals cancelled the project in 2004.

ED: And you were out of a job?
RL: Not really. By then I was working as the equity officer for the Hospital Employees Union—perhaps BC’s and maybe Canada’s first full-time union equity officer. I oversaw complaints investigations and conflict resolution in the workplace based on the BC Human Rights Code.

ED: I found a copy of your handbook, One Union, Many Colours.

RL: The HEU was in many ways ahead of its time, with everyone fully embracing diversity, including sexual and gender diversity. We also understood that Indigenous people’s struggles as First Peoples were distinct. One of our collective agreements in 1998 included language for gender-neutral washrooms, probably the first in Canada. Also, that year I helped organized HEU members and other Canadian Labour Congress unions to join Pride parades. Many unions hesitated, and not all queer union members wanted to come out. However, many did feel safer marching under their union banner. Finally, I assisted with the first “Pride and Solidarity” conference—the first queer activists’ convention of the Canadian Labour Congress. Hundreds of union and community activists met in Ottawa for the historic moment.

ED But you are not with the HEU now, are you?

RL: No, I left to work for a few years with UNITE HERE in New York City as organizing director. Compared to Canadian unions, American unions are much larger and more assertive. Organizers even jump barbed wire fences and sift through garbage to identify workers. The unions in the States believe that if undocumented workers pay taxes, they have the right to organize. One of my first victories was a workplace in California with mostly Hispanic and South Asian workers. There were so many problems that workers wouldn’t gather across cultural groups. But I persisted in meeting as one large group with translators. Within a week they recognized their common struggle and began to cooperate. After certification they bargained successfully for a collective agreement. At the celebration picnic, workers from both sides and their families shared food from their respective cultures. People discovered and enjoyed the taste of tortillas with curry, and naan with carne asada! I have always believed in the power of food to bring people together.

ED: But eventually you came back to Canada?

RL: Yes, and I’ve slowed down a little. I no longer work as a union organizer. Instead, I volunteer closer to home, where I sit on the board of the Massey Theatre, in New Westminster. We’re working to promote diversity in the arts and to support the theatre as a cultural hub with exhibitions, workshops, and creative activities. I also volunteer at the Chinatown Storytelling Centre and teach cooking classes online. I still believe in the power of food to bring people together!

ED: I have to agree! Raymond, thanks so much for sharing some of your remarkable work in the labour movement.
RL: You are very welcome! •

Eric Damer is a Burnaby-based historian with an interest in local social and educational history. His clients include Burnaby Village Museum, University of British Columbia, BC Labour Heritage Centre, and the provincial and federal governments.